Legislature(2005 - 2006)CAPITOL 106

02/17/2005 03:00 PM House HEALTH, EDUCATION & SOCIAL SERVICES


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03:10:21 PM Start
03:11:36 PM HB109
04:14:29 PM Adjourn
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+ HB 109 SCREENING NEWBORNS FOR HEARING ABILITY TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 109(L&C) Out of Committee
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HB 109-SCREENING NEWBORNS FOR HEARING ABILITY                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON announced  that the only order of  business would be                                                               
HOUSE BILL NO. 109 "An  Act relating to establishing a screening,                                                               
tracking,  and  intervention  program   related  to  the  hearing                                                               
ability  of  newborns  and infants;  providing  an  exemption  to                                                               
licensure  as  an  audiologist  for  certain  persons  performing                                                               
hearing  screening  tests;  relating to  insurance  coverage  for                                                               
newborn  and  infant  hearing screening;  and  providing  for  an                                                               
effective date."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:11:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JAY  RAMRAS, sponsor to  HB 109, stated  that each                                                               
year,  in Alaska,  about  10,000 babies  are born  and  30 to  40                                                               
percent of  those children have  some congenital  hearing defect.                                                               
He  said that  hearing  loss  is more  prevalent  than any  other                                                               
congenital abnormality for which  newborns are routinely screened                                                               
and  studies  have  shown  that  children  born  with  a  hearing                                                               
impairment often are  not discovered until they are  two to three                                                               
years  old.   He  explained  that many  of  the [facial]  muscles                                                               
around the  jaws atrophy because [hearing  impaired] children are                                                               
not  able to  respond  to  sound and  don't  develop good  speech                                                               
patterns.   He  related that  studies  have shown  that the  most                                                               
critical time  for speech  development and  cognitive development                                                               
is from birth to three years of age.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAMRAS  said that  this bill  will save  the state                                                               
money.   The average  expense for each  child going  through K-12                                                               
programs that  is undiscovered for  some degree of  hearing loss,                                                               
he  related,  is  about  $400,000.    He  explained  that  future                                                               
liability of $12  to $16 million, in addition to  the harm of the                                                               
psyche  of  that child,  justifies  the  $30  or $40,000  a  year                                                               
established  in the  fiscal note.   He  stated that  HB 109  does                                                               
three  things: it  requires the  testing of  infants for  hearing                                                               
loss before  they leave  the hospital or  within thirty  days; it                                                               
insures the  development of a  reporting and tracking  system for                                                               
newborns  that are  deemed at  risk; it  will provide  diagnostic                                                               
information and the  parents will be provided  [by the Department                                                               
of Health  and Social Services]  with written information  on the                                                               
available  services   through  community   resources,  government                                                               
agencies, parent support  organizations affiliated with deafness,                                                               
and  counseling  and  education   services  offered  through  the                                                               
Department  of  Education  and   Early  Development.    It  gives                                                               
families  that  are of  means  and  those  that  are in  a  lower                                                               
socioeconomic  position,  plenty   of  opportunities  to  address                                                               
issues with their children, he related.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   RAMRAS  mentioned   that  one   of  the   things                                                               
Representative  Anderson [Chair  of  House Committee  of Labor  &                                                               
Commerce]  was  so helpful  with  was  advocating for  those  who                                                               
weren't audiologists to  be able to perform  the [screening] exam                                                               
since  many of  the smaller  communities  only have  nurses.   He                                                               
explained  that  there  is  some   degree  of  specialization  in                                                               
administering  the  "ABR"  test [Automated  Auditory  Brain  Stem                                                               
Response  Test] where  devices are  placed in  a child's  ear and                                                               
sensors pick  up the  infants' brain response.   He  concluded by                                                               
describing the fiscal  impact of HB 109 as  modest, and explained                                                               
that grants  can be reapplied  for maintaining the  $30,000 range                                                               
which  equates to  $3 dollars  per child.   In  prior years  when                                                               
similar  bills did  not  pass,  he said,  the  fiscal notes  were                                                               
$600,000.   Presently,  he related,  through  grants and  through                                                               
service organizations  like "quota  club," hearing  machines have                                                               
been purchased,  are portable and  nurses that have  been trained                                                               
can  administer   the  test  in   the  smaller  rural   and  bush                                                               
communities.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAMRAS said that  money for the services requested                                                               
in this  bill are in place  for the infant learning  programs and                                                               
federal grant  monies have been  extended through the  next three                                                               
years.   He  noted  that these  grants may  be  extended and  the                                                               
additional monies may not be  required.  Most insurers are paying                                                               
for these  costs, he explained, because  Medicaid regulations and                                                               
most private  insurers are paying  the $20 to $60  fee associated                                                               
with  infant hearing  screening  at  birth and  it  would not  be                                                               
feasible  for the  Department of  Health and  Social Services  to                                                               
take on these charges.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:19:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GERI   BENSHOOF,   Alaska  Speech-Language-Hearing   Association,                                                               
stated her  support of  HB 109  and added that  Alaska is  one of                                                               
only  six  states that  the  "Deafness  Research Foundation"  has                                                               
found  to have  less  than  80 percent  of  babies screened  [for                                                               
hearing].  She  said that the goal of 100  percent [screening] is                                                               
excellent and  often, if screening legislation  exists, there are                                                               
higher percentages  of babies  being screened.   She  opined that                                                               
Representative  Ramras effectively  explained why  this screening                                                               
and early detection are important.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:21:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHERYL SCOTT  stated that her  son, Justin,  is 18 years  old and                                                               
experiences  bilateral   hearing  loss   in  addition   to  other                                                               
disabilities.   She explained that her  son was born in  March of                                                               
1987  and was  26 weeks  premature;  she met  him when  he was  5                                                               
months old.  She said:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     He came as a medical needs  foster baby to our home and                                                                    
     we  adopted  him  when  he  was about  3  and  a  half.                                                                    
     Currently,   his   diagnoses  include   Fetal   Alcohol                                                                    
     Syndrome,    cerebral   palsy,    mental   retardation,                                                                    
     epilepsy,  vision  impairment, hearing  impairment  and                                                                    
     cleft palate.   He  wasn't diagnosed with  hearing loss                                                                    
     until he was 10 and a half  years old.  As a result, he                                                                    
     never did hear clearly in  the early years of his life,                                                                    
     he  never   developed  much  in   the  way   of  spoken                                                                    
     communication.  At  this point, after 15  plus years of                                                                    
     weekly speech  therapy, and a couple  of different oral                                                                    
     surgeries  and  now,  hearing aids,  he  has  about  50                                                                    
     usable words.   Even  the majority  of those  words are                                                                    
     very difficult for people that  don't understand how he                                                                    
     communicates  ...  to  really  figure out  what  he  is                                                                    
     saying.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     For us,  one of  the biggest  challenges early  on, was                                                                    
     knowing how  to communicate with  him and how  to teach                                                                    
     other  people to  communicate with  him.   We ended  up                                                                    
     teaching  him sign  language because  he didn't  have a                                                                    
     diagnosis  of  hearing  impairment  at  that  time,  we                                                                    
     didn't  have any  support from  the school  district to                                                                    
     ... help him learn that,  so that was something that we                                                                    
     really pushed  throughout his school  career.   We were                                                                    
     really devastated  when he was finally  diagnosed at 10                                                                    
     and  a half,  and that  came about  because the  speech                                                                    
     therapist that  he saw  privately, finally  said, "this                                                                    
     isn't going  anywhere, I have gone  as far as I  can go                                                                    
     with him.   I really don't  think he is going  to learn                                                                    
     to speak."                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. SCOTT  said that  in spite  of years  of speech  therapy, his                                                               
speech was not  adequate for regular conversation.   The cost for                                                               
private speech therapy has ranged  between $90 and $125 per hour,                                                               
40 visits  per year, over 15  years.  She said  that [her family]                                                               
has a combination of private  insurance and Medicaid coverage but                                                               
for many years had huge out of pocket expenses.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SCOTT  stated   that,  "because  he  didn't   get  an  early                                                               
diagnosis, and didn't get that  early intervention when it really                                                               
was critical, when his brain was  able to easily learn the sounds                                                               
... and for him to be able  to learn to produce those sounds back                                                               
to people,  that never  happened ...  and as  a result,  he isn't                                                               
able to communicate easily with his  peers, he doesn't have a lot                                                               
of friends and  it's not going to  be easy for him to  find a job                                                               
because  he can't  communicate  with  a job  coach  or a  teacher                                                               
easily  unless they  know American  Sign Language  and even  that                                                               
with  his cerebral  palsy can  be a  real challenge  ... he  will                                                               
always  need  to  have  someone  intervening for  him  in  a  job                                                               
setting, in any kind of home setting  that he has when he is away                                                               
from his  family because  really no one  else, except  for family                                                               
members,  can understand  him clearly."   She  stated her  belief                                                               
that this is something that  could have been prevented with early                                                               
identification and intervention.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:26:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  WILSON  asked if  [Justin  Scott]  can use  American  Sign                                                               
Language.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SCOTT replied  that  he can  sign, and  that  he was  taught                                                               
through the  early intervention program for  infants and children                                                               
in Anchorage.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
STEPHANIE BIRCH, Manager, Newborn  Screening Program, Division of                                                               
Public  Health,  stated that  she  was  available to  answer  any                                                               
relevant questions.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
DEBBIE GOLDEN, March  of Dimes, stated that the  mission of March                                                               
of Dimes is  to improve the health of babies  by preventing birth                                                               
defects and infant mortality.  She  said that [March of Dimes] is                                                               
a  big  promoter of  newborn  hearing  screening, monitoring  and                                                               
tracking  and  supports  HB  109.     She  said  that  39  states                                                               
[excluding  Alaska]  have  active legislation  mandating  newborn                                                               
hearing screening.   She related  that for 50 years  experts have                                                               
been  emphasizing the  importance of  detecting hearing  problems                                                               
early and intervening                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:31:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DIANE INGLE, Manager, Community  Health Services, Municipality of                                                               
Anchorage,  stated that  the Municipality  of Anchorage  strongly                                                               
supports  HB 109  and has  included  it in  its 2005  legislative                                                               
[priorities].   She  explained that  Anchorage has  slightly more                                                               
than  half of  the  annual  births in  the  State  of Alaska  and                                                               
identifies 15  to 20 children with  hearing loss each year.   She                                                               
added that about  75 percent of the children who  are enrolled in                                                               
the early intervention program for  hearing loss are residents of                                                               
the Anchorage  area.   She related  that [the  early intervention                                                               
program] is something  that makes a difference  for the long-term                                                               
quality  of  life  and  for  the  lifelong  amount  of  resources                                                               
required for special education and additional resources.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
LISA OWENS,  Speech Pathologist and  Audiologist, stated  the she                                                               
is in  support of HB  109.   She commented that  this legislation                                                               
can change  opportunities for children  affected.  She  said that                                                               
HB 109  would give parents  the opportunity to change  things for                                                               
their children and would provide a tracking system.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
[The committee took an at-ease from 3:36:42 PM to 3:37:27 PM.]                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:39:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JODI RUMPH, Governor's Council on Disabilities and Special                                                                      
Education, stated that this Council firmly supports HB 109,                                                                     
including the amendment.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:40:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PAMELA  MUELLER-GUY,  Coordinator,  Deaf Services  &  Interpreter                                                               
Referral,  Southeast Alaska  Independent Living,  SAIL, read  her                                                               
written  testimony   for  the  committee   [original  punctuation                                                               
provided]:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Hello  my  name  is  Pam   Mueller-Guy.    I  work  for                                                                    
     Southeast  Alaska   Independent  Living  as   the  Deaf                                                                    
     Services  & Interpreter  Referral  Coordinator.   I  am                                                                    
     representing  for  SAIL  in  support  for  the  Newborn                                                                    
     Hearing Screening test, House  Bill 109 and Senate Bill                                                                    
     68.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     I was born as a hearing  child.  However, I had to have                                                                    
     a blood  transfusion from  a stranger  when I  was five                                                                    
     days  old, due  to my  rare blood  type.   Due to  this                                                                    
     blood transfusion,  I became deaf, but  no one realized                                                                    
     it till I was about 2 years old.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Even  as a  toddler, I  could  speak a  little bit  and                                                                    
     mimicked  by  brother  while playing  with  toys.    My                                                                    
     grandmother finally figured out  that I could not hear,                                                                    
     realizing I  never responded when they  called my name.                                                                    
     Only when  a loud  noise occurred, such  as a  stomp on                                                                    
     the floor, did I look their way.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     They finally took  me to have a hearing test  and I was                                                                    
     diagnosed with  severe profound  nerve deafness.   They                                                                    
     were in shock and wept  for me because they didn't know                                                                    
     what to do.  They asked,  "How can she can hear music?"                                                                    
     My whole family is musical!   They had grief until they                                                                    
     realized I could experience music.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     I  started  speech classes  at  2  1/2 years  old  then                                                                    
     started wearing  hearing aids  at 3  1/2 years  old and                                                                    
     started  half  days till  four  years  old to  stay  at                                                                    
     boarding  parents house  during the  week because  deaf                                                                    
     school was 25 miles away from my home.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     I  was held  back in  school  twice due  to my  hearing                                                                    
     disability.   One  time, just  because  they wanted  to                                                                    
     keep all  the students  who were  deaf together  in one                                                                    
     grade.  I had to make friends all over again.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     If this bill  is passed, it will also  allow parents of                                                                    
     newborn  babies with  hearing loss  to get  information                                                                    
     immediately and  begin preparing for life  with a child                                                                    
     who is  deaf.  It  is difficult for  organizations like                                                                    
     SAIL to  identify and assist  persons who  have hearing                                                                    
     loss; a  much better  way to  do this  is to  catch the                                                                    
     baby and  family at the  beginning of  life.  I  do not                                                                    
     want to  see people  with hearing loss  have to  go the                                                                    
     hard way like me.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     I  hope  for  the  new  generation  that  they  can  be                                                                    
     diagnosed early  and begin to  learn early so  they may                                                                    
     be capable of writing English  easy instead of the hard                                                                    
     way.  I  see most deaf and hard of  hearing have a hard                                                                    
     time  in Alaska  for jobs.   Schools  also should  have                                                                    
     programs  specifically for  children  who  are deaf  so                                                                    
     they won't be isolated.   I am hopeful children who are                                                                    
     deaf will  be able to  communicate in both  the hearing                                                                    
     world and the deaf world.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     The newborn hearing screen would  be best for all needs                                                                    
     so the parents of the baby  can start early to learn to                                                                    
     cope with  the child and  their lives would  be easier!                                                                    
     This bill will save a  lot of money for the government,                                                                    
     schools,  and  insurance,  including Medicaid,  in  the                                                                    
     long run.  Thank you for  taking your time to listen to                                                                    
     me.   Keep  passing  those bills  for  better lives  in                                                                    
     Alaska!                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:45:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARTIN BEALS,  M.D., Alaska  Chapter of  the American  Academy of                                                               
Pediatrics,  stated his  support of  HB 109.   He  explained that                                                               
hearing loss  is the most common  birth defect and it  can have a                                                               
significant negative impact on children,  but early detection and                                                               
intervention can  help.  He said  that HB 109 has  provisions for                                                               
tracking  when  children  fail  the screening,  so  they  can  be                                                               
followed and appropriate diagnostic testing is completed.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  WILSON  asked how  many  children  a  year are  born  with                                                               
hearing loss.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DR. BEALS stated  that the incidents of  hearing loss diagnosable                                                               
at birth  is about  3 in  1,000 live births  and there  are about                                                               
10,000 live births  in Alaska per year.  He  estimated that there                                                               
are  about 30  children  a year  born [in  Alaska]  who would  be                                                               
diagnosed using this technology.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:47:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JACK  MCGRAY, Senior  Vice President,  Premera Blue  Cross, began                                                               
discussion  of  Amendment 1  [submitted  by  Premera Blue  Cross,                                                               
labeled as  2/16/05, 4:07 p.m.] which  read [original punctuation                                                               
provided]:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CSHB 109(L&C) Version "F" page 3, lines 9-24:                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Sec. 5. AS 21.42 is amended by adding a new section to read:                                                                    
Sec.21.42.349.   Coverage   for   newborn  and   infant   hearing                                                             
screening.  (a)If  a  health  care  insurer  offers,  issues  for                                                             
delivery,  delivers,  or  renews  in this  state  a  health  care                                                               
insurance  plan that  covers services  provided  to women  during                                                               
pregnancy  and  childbirth  and   the  dependents  of  a  covered                                                               
individual,  including  routine  newborn care,  the  health  care                                                               
insurer must comply with the requirements of this subsection.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     (1)The health care insurer may not deny coverage for a                                                                     
     newborn or infant screening to be performed within 30 days                                                                 
     after the child's birth; and                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     (2)If the initial screening under (1) of this section                                                                      
     determines that the child may have a hearing impairment,                                                                   
     the plan may not deny coverage for a confirmatory hearing                                                                  
     diagnosis evaluation.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
(b)The  coverage  required by  this  section  may be  subject  to                                                               
standard  policy  provisions,  such as  deductible  or  copayment                                                               
provisions.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Rationale:   (a):  Deletes   exception   for  fraternal   benefit                                                             
societies.   Because the  intent of  the bill  is to  assure that                                                               
100% of  newborns are screened,  no sources of payment  should be                                                               
excluded  from  the  requirements.   (a)(1)  through  (b):  Under                                                               
current  practice,  any  costs  for  the  initial  screening  are                                                               
typically  included in  the hospital  or other  facility's charge                                                               
for  newborn care  or in  the physician  or other  practitioner's                                                               
charge for  routine follow-up care.   Diagnostic tests, including                                                               
hearing   examinations,  are   covered  under   existing  medical                                                               
benefits.   The amendment  changes the  bill language  to reflect                                                               
standard practice and health plan design.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. MCGRAY said:                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     we're supporting HB 109 ...  we cover this hearing test                                                                    
     now  ... in  a pediatric  setting or  in a  hospital or                                                                    
     birthing center  ... what our  amendment will do  is it                                                                    
     will change the bill  to reflect the standard practices                                                                    
     in the health  plan design ... it will  only modify the                                                                    
     bill so it will come  into sync with standard practices                                                                    
     in health plan designs that we have up in Alaska, now.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  WILSON inquired  as to  the specific  changes included  in                                                               
Amendment 1.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. MCGRAY explained that the  amendment is technical and it will                                                               
allow  [Premera  Blue  Cross]   to  utilize  existing  contracts.                                                               
Without the  amendment, he said, administration  costs would rise                                                               
due to the creation of new contracts.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON inquired as to  the HB 109 requirements for                                                               
testing being covered under existing procedures.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MCGRAY  stated that  they  are  covered now  under  "hearing                                                               
screening."                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON inquired  as to the purpose of Amendment  1 if there                                                               
is coverage [for screening] now.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. MCGRAY  said that this is  a technical issue that  deals with                                                               
how the  contract is written  in relation to how  the legislation                                                               
is written.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:50:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   GARDNER   clarified   that  the   Alaska   State                                                               
Legislature makes the law and  insurance company contracts comply                                                               
with the law.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. MCGRAY stated  that one of the goals [of  Premera Blue Cross]                                                               
is  to keep  administrative costs  low; this  amendment will  not                                                               
modify the intent of HB 109.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ANDERSON stated:                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     if you  look at Version  F of the  bill ... page  3 ...                                                                    
     lines 22 through 24 ...  section 5, subsection 6 ... it                                                                    
     states, "The  coverage required by this  section may be                                                                    
     subject   to  standard   policy  provisions   that  are                                                                    
     applicable  to other  benefits, such  as deductible  or                                                                    
     co-payment  provisions."   Your amendment,  as proposed                                                                    
     ...  states   ...  "the   coverage  required   by  this                                                                    
     subsection   may   be   subject  to   standard   policy                                                                    
     provisions,   such   as    deductible   or   co-payment                                                                    
     provisions."   ...   you   have  deleted,   "that   are                                                                    
     applicable to  other benefits" and  that was  bought up                                                                    
     in the Labor & Commerce  Committee, can you explain ...                                                                    
     why that was deleted.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. MCGRAY stated that the intent [of Amendment 1]:                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     if the language went through  as is presently listed in                                                                    
     the bill, we'd  modify our contracts and  have a stand-                                                                    
     alone benefit  for this, for  the hearing screen.   Now                                                                    
     what we  do is we  include that in the  benefit package                                                                    
     that  the hospitals  and physicians  used when  they're                                                                    
     screening for  hearing.  So, ...  the amendment changes                                                                    
     won't  reflect  anything  different than  our  standard                                                                    
     practices ...  instead of having a  stand-alone benefit                                                                    
     that  states  "hearing  specific,"  it's  part  of  the                                                                    
     package that's used that the  doctors and hospitals use                                                                    
     in screening and we pay for it that way.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:54:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON stated that she needs  to be convinced as to why the                                                               
language,  "that  are applicable  to  other  benefits" should  be                                                               
deleted from HB 109.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. MCGRAY  stated that [Premera  Blue Cross] consulted  with its                                                               
legal department  and concluded  that if the  language in  HB 109                                                               
remains  as it  is  now,  all contracts  in  Alaska will  require                                                               
revision.   He explained  that the  submitted amendment  does not                                                               
change [Premera Blue Cross] practices  in Alaska or the intent of                                                               
HB 109.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  WILSON  offered  comments  concerning  the  language  used                                                               
within the submitted amendment:                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     at the  end of  that first  paragraph [of  Amendment 1]                                                                    
     where  it  says  "care  insurer must  comply  with  the                                                                    
     requirements of this subsection,"  I would suggest that                                                                    
     we change that to say  "care insurer shall comply [with                                                                    
     the  requirements  of   this  subsection]."  ...  under                                                                    
     number  1 ...  leave out  "The health  insurer may  not                                                                    
     deny"  and  ... [insert]  "Coverage  for  a newborn  or                                                                    
     infant screening to be performed  within 30 days of the                                                                    
     child's birth"  ... number  2 ...  in the  middle line,                                                                    
     "the plan  may not deny"  ... [insert] "the  plan shall                                                                    
     provide  coverage for  confirmatory hearing  diagnostic                                                                    
     evaluation."                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MCGRAY  said that  he  has  no problem  with  Representative                                                               
Wilson's comments and corrections to Amendment 1.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:57:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CISSNA  inquired as  to  the  availability of  an                                                               
attorney   to   assist  with   the   questions   brought  up   by                                                               
Representative Anderson.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON stated  that "Bill Drafting" has  been contacted and                                                               
the person who drew up HB 109 will be able to provide guidance.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON  asked if  someone would  move the  amendment before                                                               
the  committee [in  an attempt  to  make Representative  Wilson's                                                               
aforementioned corrections].                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MCGUIRE  stated her concerns about  the moving the                                                               
amendment and questioned phrasing within HB 109.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:02:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON offered Amendment  1 [labeled 2/16/05, 4:07                                                               
p.m.] to be brought before the committee.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ANDERSON objected for the purpose of discussion.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON offered  a Conceptual  Amendment to  amend                                                               
Amendment 1, as follows:                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     In Subsection (1), remove "the  health care insurer may                                                                    
     not deny"                                                                                                                  
     Insert "Provide"                                                                                                           
     In Subsection (2), remove "may not deny"                                                                                   
     Insert "shall provide"                                                                                                     
     In first paragraph, remove "must"                                                                                          
     Insert "shall"                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:04:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  WILSON stated  that hearing  no  objection, those  changes                                                               
have been  made to  read, "the health  care insurer  shall comply                                                               
with the requirements  of this subsection ...  they shall provide                                                               
coverage for  a newborn  infant and  they shall  provide coverage                                                               
for confirmatory hearing diagnostic evaluation."                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:05:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON offered Amendment  2, to amend Amendment 1,                                                               
as follows:                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Remove Subsection (b)                                                                                                      
     Adopt the rest of the Amendment 1.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MCGUIRE objected for the purpose of discussion.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:06:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JEAN MISCHEL, attorney, Legislative  Legal and Research Services,                                                               
Legislative  Affairs Agency,  stated that  there is  a structural                                                               
problem with Amendment 1.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  WILSON explained  the specific  changes the  House Health,                                                               
Education  and Social  Services Standing  Committee have  made to                                                               
Amendment 1.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:08:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ANDERSON,  for  the   benefit  of  Jean  Mischel,                                                               
clarified the  changes within HB  109 [and Amendment 1]  that the                                                               
committee had been discussing.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:10:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JEAN MISCHEL  stated that Amendment 1  could significantly change                                                               
HB  109.   She explained  that what  the current  language change                                                               
does,  in Subsection  C, Section  5, of  HB 109,  is limit  it to                                                               
standard  policy   provisions  that   are  applicable   to  other                                                               
benefits.   If the standard  policy provision were  changed, with                                                               
respect  to  infant  hearing  and  screening  assessments,  other                                                               
benefits would also have to be  changed.  She stated that what is                                                               
being proposed in Amendment 1 is a much broader limitation.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON asked Jean Mischel  to review Amendment 1 and inform                                                               
Representative Ramras of the effects  of the changes.  She stated                                                               
that  the House  Health, Education  and Social  Services Standing                                                               
Committee  will pass  HB  109  to the  next  committee.   In  the                                                               
meantime,  she  said,  legal  counsel  will  provide  information                                                               
concerning language changes.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON withdrew his aforementioned amendments.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:13:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ANDERSON  moved to  report CSHB  109(L&C), Version                                                               
F,  with individual  recommendations,  attached  fiscal note  and                                                               
with  supplemental legal  comments.   There  being no  objection,                                                               
CSHB 109(L&C) was  reported from the House  Health, Education and                                                               
Social Services Standing Committee.                                                                                             

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